Ganguly..your days are over,,can u please GET OUT of the team!!
It has got too far...its high time ganguly quitted the team.. this is a huge post of some real good analysis's from various sites.
The post first details ganguly's stats followed by the chronology of events leading to the spat between ganguly-chappell , which are followed by public opinion and finally my opinion.Ganguly supporters please take a hike and for once think rationally. if u r seriously looking at development of indian cricket kindly take your man out of the team else please do keep him and let us watch him score glorious hundreds against extremely talented and world renowned teams like zimbabwe,UAE,bangkladesh,kenya and many other world beating teams.
Sources
Cricinfo
indiatimes
STATISTICS
A cursory look at the stats don't reveal the rot that has set in - in his last 14 Tests, starting with the second Test of that series in Australia, Ganguly's stats read 681 runs at 35.84, with one century and five fifties. Not outstanding figures, but quite acceptable, you might think. The problem is that many of those runs have been against soft opposition and bowling attacks: Ganguly has had his share of the easy runs against the minnows, but he hasn't done much of note against the tougher teams. Whittle away the flab accumulated against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and the stats read 421 runs in 16 innings at 26.31 with only three half-centuries. Dig even deeper, and it turns out that one of those three fifties - against South Africa at Kanpur - came after the top three had laid a splendid platform: he came in to bat with the score reading a comforting 298 for 3. The main criticism against Ganguly the batsman is that he hasn't scored much lately, but also that he's hardly ever contributed when the team has needed him to. (Click here for Ganguly's score in his last 19 innings.)
The last time Ganguly's Test average was more than 50 was when India toured Australia in 1999-2000. In 53 Tests since then, he averages only 35.96 (56.17 against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in ten Tests, 32.23 against the rest).
To make matters worse, his form has plummeted in the one-dayers too, a format in which he was considered one of the best in the world not very long ago. His last 42 matches have fetched him no hundreds, just seven fifties, and an average of 26.05, a huge fall from his career average of more than 40. And if the minnows are excluded from the calculations, the numbers are even dismal. Ganguly's leadership skills and the team's results meant that his place wasn't questioned, but with both those factors on the decline, Ganguly's batting form will increasingly come into focus in the near future.
Ganguly's ODIs travails
check his last 42 matches record??
Cricinfo chronicles the relationship between Sourav Ganguly and Greg Chappell which started off in such endearing fashion but has ended up with much mutual recrimination.
August 2003
Ganguly heads off to Australia to take coaching tips from Chappell. Advice such as `don't look out for bouncers' and 'try and move your back-foot to middle stump and look to play forward all the time' are reported in the press. Ganguly goes on to make a classic century at the Gabba.
April 6, 2005
Ganguly puts forth Chappell's candidature before senior board officials twice, during the one-day series against Pakistan.
July 4, 2005
Chappell speaks to Cricinfo on the dynamics of the coach-captain relationship. "Once the game starts, the captain's the one out on the field," he says. "He's the boss, it's his team. I think that's a very important demarcation between the two roles. The coach can't make any runs, can't take any wickets, and can't take any catches. He can't change the bowlers or order the field placings. That's the captain's job and he's got to have the support of the players."
July 9, 2005
Indian selectors announce probables for the pre-season camp in Bangalore. Chappell is keen on having Ganguly at the camp for a few days despite his assignments with Glamorgan in the English County Championship.
July 13, 2005
Ganguly joins the camp in Bangalore for two days. "Chappell will get help from everybody," Ganguly said. "There is Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Anil Kumble, VVS Laxman and a whole lot of young boys. So, I am sure that they are going to make his way easier. I hope he enjoys with the boys."
Friendly start: Sourav Ganguly seeks Greg Chappell's help to sort out his short-ball woes © Getty Images
India lose the final of the Indian Oil Cup in Sri Lanka, where Ganguly makes 79 runs in 3 games, and falters again in the final of the Videocon Cup in Harare, where he manages 26.
September 8-10, 2005
Chappell and Ganguly are involved in a few mutual discussions during India's warm-up game at Mutare where Chappell suggests that India would be better served if Ganguly focused on getting his batting organised by stepping down from the captaincy.
September 11, 2005
Chappell admits that Ganguly's continuing slump is bound to affect the "other areas of his game", but added "I have no doubts he can make runs again. He's well aware of what he needs to do. There are some good signs on the way he's batted on this tour."
September 12, 2005
The matter of team selection comes up again before the first Test. Chappell reiterates that India should pick the best XI and when Ganguly pushes him for a frank opinion, Chappell says that left to him, he would have both Yuvraj Singh and Mohammad Kaif in the team ahead of Ganguly.
An angry Ganguly storms off to the dressing-room, summons Rahul Dravid and Amitabh Chowdhary, the manager, and informs them that he was packing his bags. Chowdhary asks Chappell to join in and all decide that Ganguly leaving in the middle of a tour would be disastrous.
Sourav Ganguly:'You can imagine the character of a person who within hours of a truce goes and writes such an e-mail' © Getty Images
September 15, 2005
Ganguly labours to his first century in 20 months and tells the media that he was asked to step down before the Test and that he found "extra determination" for this innings.
Ganguly's statement has the Indian media in a tizzy and rumours and stories fly thick and fast as India complete a convincing win at Bulawayo.
September 16, 2005
Both Ganguly and Chappell keep their counsel after the Test. "It's not right for me to make a statement now," said Ganguly. "You know what has been happening in Indian cricket. Other people are making the decisions; my silence says everything so I'll stick to it. Things come up from time to time and people get frustrated. They say things which probably they don't really mean and are not as important as they are made out to be. I think if we keep looking at success a lot of these issues would fade away."
Chappell adds that he is interested in following the right process: "There are some things which you can't control. We can only concentrate on what we are doing. I have been through this before. There is always going to be something bubbling around the place. We can't get worried about it or get involved in it."
September 17, 2005
Chappell dismisses reports that he threatened to resign. "I have no time to respond to such reports, it's absolute bullshit," he says. "Neither have I threatened to resign nor do I intend to resign."
Ganguly heads off for the scenic Victoria Falls while informing the media to the contrary. Chappell, on the other hand, heads for Harare, the venue of the second Test.
September 19, 2005
Chappell reads out a statement where he professes his respect for Ganguly and said the private discussion was aimed at motivating Ganguly for the Bulawayo Test. "It is disappointing that what was a private discussion between the captain and myself, has become a cause of public speculation. Even more disappointing is that much of what has been written does not represent the discussion fairly.
"It was a frank discussion about Indian cricket's present and future, and much of what I said was aimed at motivating Sourav for the Bulawayo Test match. In that regard our exchange was beneficial. Sourav and I share a mutual respect going back a long time. Thankfully, it is strong enough to survive what has occurred in the past week. I have great respect for what Sourav has achieved in his playing and captaincy career and look forward to working with him in the future."
September 20, 2005
Sachin Tendulkar speaks on the matter and says, "Such talks should not come out of the dressing-room and if it comes out then it's not right. Dressing-room discussions should remain within the dressing-room only. [The Indian board] should speak to the players after they come back. We would get the real story once they talk to the officials [after returning home]."
Sourav Ganguly: will he survive this messy episode? © Getty Images
September 21, 2005
Ganguly says he has no problems in playing under anyone else. "Playing for India is more than enough," he tells The Sportstar, "and I have been captain for five years all around the world. I've got nothing left to prove as a captain. Really did not matter to me, actually it felt nice to play without any thoughts and just concentrate on my game. It doesn't matter who is the captain, it has to be a team and all 16 contributing if India has to do well from now on till whatever time."
September 23, 2005
Chappell questions Ganguly's ability to captain the side in an e-mail to Ranbir Singh Mahendra, Indian board president. Mahendra confirms receiving the mail.
Ganguly tells the Ananda Bazaar Patrika: "I will say whatever I want to the board. I hope the board will give me a chance to explain. You can imagine the character of a person who within hours of a truce goes and writes such an e-mail."
September 24, 2005
Ganguly returns from Zimbabwe and says the issue should stay between Chappell and him and not be allowed to drag down the team. He terms the e-mail as a "sensitive issue" and adds, "I will talk to the board on the issue if they ask me. It is a sensitive issue at the present moment and I do not want to say anything to stir it up again."
September 25, 2005
The full text of Greg Chappell's e-mail to BCCI is released by the media. More damning accusations against Ganguly surface. "This team has been made to be fearful and distrusting by the rumour mongering and deceit that is Sourav's modus operandi of divide and rule. Certain players have been treated with favour, all of them bowlers, while others have been shunted up and down the order or left out of the team to suit Sourav's whims."
Harbhajan speaks out in support of his captain: "Ganguly has rebuilt this team and whatever the team has achieved so far, credit goes to the captain". He accuses Chappell of instilling "fear and insecurity" among the players.
More team members rally around their captain. "You can't just talk to the Indian captain like that, asking him to stand down on the morning of a Test. Sourav has led India for long now and that's not the way a coach should talk, no matter what his stature is," said one player, who obviously did not want to be named.
Fans shout slogans against Sourav Ganguly © Getty Images
BCCI responds by gagging Indian players and tells them to "exercise restraint" and avoid speaking out on the issue.
September 26, 2005
Ian Chappell bats for his brother: "If Indian cricket wanted someone who would passionately seek to help players who wanted to improve, would do his utmost to put the best team on the field for every match without fear or favour and would offer a frank opinion when asked, then they were on the right track with Greg Chappell."
Raj Singh Dungarpur, former BCCI president, accuses the Dalmiya camp for the e-mail leak. He says Ganguly has "no place in the future of Indian cricket" and that "If Dalmiya did not rule Indian cricket, Ganguly would have gone a long time ago". He lashes out against Harbhajan Singh as well: "He should concentrate on his arm, rather than talk about whether Ganguly is right or wrong ... once a chucker always a chucker".
Sourav Ganguly's maternal grandfather passes away. This throws an uncertainty over Ganguly's participation in the review committee meeting to be held tomorrow.
OPINION POLL
Source - outlook
Ganguly vs Chappell
Who's right? Who's wrong? Tell us what you think of the unfolding farce in Indian cricket and match your answers with the magazine survey.
Did Greg Chappell do the right thing in suggesting that Ganguly sit out and let Yuvraj Singh and Mohammad Kaif play the Test match?
Yes 82.46%
No 14.47%
Can't Say 3.07%
Total Votes:- 228
Do you think senior players like Ganguly, Laxman, Kumble are frustrated under Chappell?
No 40.53%
Yes 30.4%
Can't Say 29.07%
Total Votes:- 227
Should Saurav Ganguly step down as captain on return
Yes 85.46%
No 11.89%
Can't Say 2.64%
Total Votes:- 227
Did Ganguly do the right thing in revealing to the press that he had been asked to step down before the Test?
No 90.31%
Yes 8.37%
Can't Say 1.32%
Total Votes:- 227
Is it possible for Chappell and Ganguly to work well together, or will the peace be tenuous?
No 77.19%
Yes 13.6%
Can't Say 9.21%
Total Votes:- 228
Is Chappell in a hurry to impose his views on the team and assert his will?
No 53.95%
Yes 35.09%
Can't Say 10.96%
Total Votes:- 228
indiatimes poll
Do you think Chappell is honest in his intentions?
Yes 86%
No 10%
Can't Say 4%
its been too long a post will air my views in next post..
The post first details ganguly's stats followed by the chronology of events leading to the spat between ganguly-chappell , which are followed by public opinion and finally my opinion.Ganguly supporters please take a hike and for once think rationally. if u r seriously looking at development of indian cricket kindly take your man out of the team else please do keep him and let us watch him score glorious hundreds against extremely talented and world renowned teams like zimbabwe,UAE,bangkladesh,kenya and many other world beating teams.
Sources
Cricinfo
indiatimes
STATISTICS
A cursory look at the stats don't reveal the rot that has set in - in his last 14 Tests, starting with the second Test of that series in Australia, Ganguly's stats read 681 runs at 35.84, with one century and five fifties. Not outstanding figures, but quite acceptable, you might think. The problem is that many of those runs have been against soft opposition and bowling attacks: Ganguly has had his share of the easy runs against the minnows, but he hasn't done much of note against the tougher teams. Whittle away the flab accumulated against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and the stats read 421 runs in 16 innings at 26.31 with only three half-centuries. Dig even deeper, and it turns out that one of those three fifties - against South Africa at Kanpur - came after the top three had laid a splendid platform: he came in to bat with the score reading a comforting 298 for 3. The main criticism against Ganguly the batsman is that he hasn't scored much lately, but also that he's hardly ever contributed when the team has needed him to. (Click here for Ganguly's score in his last 19 innings.)
| ganguly versus | Innings | Average | 100s/ 50s |
| Zim and B'desh | 3 | 86.67 | 1/ 2 |
| The rest | 16 | 26.31 | 0/ 3 |
The last time Ganguly's Test average was more than 50 was when India toured Australia in 1999-2000. In 53 Tests since then, he averages only 35.96 (56.17 against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in ten Tests, 32.23 against the rest).
To make matters worse, his form has plummeted in the one-dayers too, a format in which he was considered one of the best in the world not very long ago. His last 42 matches have fetched him no hundreds, just seven fifties, and an average of 26.05, a huge fall from his career average of more than 40. And if the minnows are excluded from the calculations, the numbers are even dismal. Ganguly's leadership skills and the team's results meant that his place wasn't questioned, but with both those factors on the decline, Ganguly's batting form will increasingly come into focus in the near future.
Ganguly's ODIs travails
| Ganguly versus | Innings | Average | 100s/ 50s |
| Zim, B'desh, Kenya, UAE | 10 | 33.90 | 0/ 4 |
| The rest | 32 | 22.68 | 0/ 3 |
check his last 42 matches record??
Cricinfo chronicles the relationship between Sourav Ganguly and Greg Chappell which started off in such endearing fashion but has ended up with much mutual recrimination.
August 2003
Ganguly heads off to Australia to take coaching tips from Chappell. Advice such as `don't look out for bouncers' and 'try and move your back-foot to middle stump and look to play forward all the time' are reported in the press. Ganguly goes on to make a classic century at the Gabba.
April 6, 2005
Ganguly puts forth Chappell's candidature before senior board officials twice, during the one-day series against Pakistan.
July 4, 2005
Chappell speaks to Cricinfo on the dynamics of the coach-captain relationship. "Once the game starts, the captain's the one out on the field," he says. "He's the boss, it's his team. I think that's a very important demarcation between the two roles. The coach can't make any runs, can't take any wickets, and can't take any catches. He can't change the bowlers or order the field placings. That's the captain's job and he's got to have the support of the players."
July 9, 2005
Indian selectors announce probables for the pre-season camp in Bangalore. Chappell is keen on having Ganguly at the camp for a few days despite his assignments with Glamorgan in the English County Championship.
July 13, 2005
Ganguly joins the camp in Bangalore for two days. "Chappell will get help from everybody," Ganguly said. "There is Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Anil Kumble, VVS Laxman and a whole lot of young boys. So, I am sure that they are going to make his way easier. I hope he enjoys with the boys."
Friendly start: Sourav Ganguly seeks Greg Chappell's help to sort out his short-ball woes © Getty Images
India lose the final of the Indian Oil Cup in Sri Lanka, where Ganguly makes 79 runs in 3 games, and falters again in the final of the Videocon Cup in Harare, where he manages 26.
September 8-10, 2005
Chappell and Ganguly are involved in a few mutual discussions during India's warm-up game at Mutare where Chappell suggests that India would be better served if Ganguly focused on getting his batting organised by stepping down from the captaincy.
September 11, 2005
Chappell admits that Ganguly's continuing slump is bound to affect the "other areas of his game", but added "I have no doubts he can make runs again. He's well aware of what he needs to do. There are some good signs on the way he's batted on this tour."
September 12, 2005
The matter of team selection comes up again before the first Test. Chappell reiterates that India should pick the best XI and when Ganguly pushes him for a frank opinion, Chappell says that left to him, he would have both Yuvraj Singh and Mohammad Kaif in the team ahead of Ganguly.
An angry Ganguly storms off to the dressing-room, summons Rahul Dravid and Amitabh Chowdhary, the manager, and informs them that he was packing his bags. Chowdhary asks Chappell to join in and all decide that Ganguly leaving in the middle of a tour would be disastrous.
Sourav Ganguly:'You can imagine the character of a person who within hours of a truce goes and writes such an e-mail' © Getty Images
September 15, 2005
Ganguly labours to his first century in 20 months and tells the media that he was asked to step down before the Test and that he found "extra determination" for this innings.
Ganguly's statement has the Indian media in a tizzy and rumours and stories fly thick and fast as India complete a convincing win at Bulawayo.
September 16, 2005
Both Ganguly and Chappell keep their counsel after the Test. "It's not right for me to make a statement now," said Ganguly. "You know what has been happening in Indian cricket. Other people are making the decisions; my silence says everything so I'll stick to it. Things come up from time to time and people get frustrated. They say things which probably they don't really mean and are not as important as they are made out to be. I think if we keep looking at success a lot of these issues would fade away."
Chappell adds that he is interested in following the right process: "There are some things which you can't control. We can only concentrate on what we are doing. I have been through this before. There is always going to be something bubbling around the place. We can't get worried about it or get involved in it."
September 17, 2005
Chappell dismisses reports that he threatened to resign. "I have no time to respond to such reports, it's absolute bullshit," he says. "Neither have I threatened to resign nor do I intend to resign."
Ganguly heads off for the scenic Victoria Falls while informing the media to the contrary. Chappell, on the other hand, heads for Harare, the venue of the second Test.
September 19, 2005
Chappell reads out a statement where he professes his respect for Ganguly and said the private discussion was aimed at motivating Ganguly for the Bulawayo Test. "It is disappointing that what was a private discussion between the captain and myself, has become a cause of public speculation. Even more disappointing is that much of what has been written does not represent the discussion fairly.
"It was a frank discussion about Indian cricket's present and future, and much of what I said was aimed at motivating Sourav for the Bulawayo Test match. In that regard our exchange was beneficial. Sourav and I share a mutual respect going back a long time. Thankfully, it is strong enough to survive what has occurred in the past week. I have great respect for what Sourav has achieved in his playing and captaincy career and look forward to working with him in the future."
September 20, 2005
Sachin Tendulkar speaks on the matter and says, "Such talks should not come out of the dressing-room and if it comes out then it's not right. Dressing-room discussions should remain within the dressing-room only. [The Indian board] should speak to the players after they come back. We would get the real story once they talk to the officials [after returning home]."
Sourav Ganguly: will he survive this messy episode? © Getty Images
September 21, 2005
Ganguly says he has no problems in playing under anyone else. "Playing for India is more than enough," he tells The Sportstar, "and I have been captain for five years all around the world. I've got nothing left to prove as a captain. Really did not matter to me, actually it felt nice to play without any thoughts and just concentrate on my game. It doesn't matter who is the captain, it has to be a team and all 16 contributing if India has to do well from now on till whatever time."
September 23, 2005
Chappell questions Ganguly's ability to captain the side in an e-mail to Ranbir Singh Mahendra, Indian board president. Mahendra confirms receiving the mail.
Ganguly tells the Ananda Bazaar Patrika: "I will say whatever I want to the board. I hope the board will give me a chance to explain. You can imagine the character of a person who within hours of a truce goes and writes such an e-mail."
September 24, 2005
Ganguly returns from Zimbabwe and says the issue should stay between Chappell and him and not be allowed to drag down the team. He terms the e-mail as a "sensitive issue" and adds, "I will talk to the board on the issue if they ask me. It is a sensitive issue at the present moment and I do not want to say anything to stir it up again."
September 25, 2005
The full text of Greg Chappell's e-mail to BCCI is released by the media. More damning accusations against Ganguly surface. "This team has been made to be fearful and distrusting by the rumour mongering and deceit that is Sourav's modus operandi of divide and rule. Certain players have been treated with favour, all of them bowlers, while others have been shunted up and down the order or left out of the team to suit Sourav's whims."
Harbhajan speaks out in support of his captain: "Ganguly has rebuilt this team and whatever the team has achieved so far, credit goes to the captain". He accuses Chappell of instilling "fear and insecurity" among the players.
More team members rally around their captain. "You can't just talk to the Indian captain like that, asking him to stand down on the morning of a Test. Sourav has led India for long now and that's not the way a coach should talk, no matter what his stature is," said one player, who obviously did not want to be named.
Fans shout slogans against Sourav Ganguly © Getty Images
BCCI responds by gagging Indian players and tells them to "exercise restraint" and avoid speaking out on the issue.
September 26, 2005
Ian Chappell bats for his brother: "If Indian cricket wanted someone who would passionately seek to help players who wanted to improve, would do his utmost to put the best team on the field for every match without fear or favour and would offer a frank opinion when asked, then they were on the right track with Greg Chappell."
Raj Singh Dungarpur, former BCCI president, accuses the Dalmiya camp for the e-mail leak. He says Ganguly has "no place in the future of Indian cricket" and that "If Dalmiya did not rule Indian cricket, Ganguly would have gone a long time ago". He lashes out against Harbhajan Singh as well: "He should concentrate on his arm, rather than talk about whether Ganguly is right or wrong ... once a chucker always a chucker".
Sourav Ganguly's maternal grandfather passes away. This throws an uncertainty over Ganguly's participation in the review committee meeting to be held tomorrow.
OPINION POLL
Source - outlook
Ganguly vs Chappell
Who's right? Who's wrong? Tell us what you think of the unfolding farce in Indian cricket and match your answers with the magazine survey.
Did Greg Chappell do the right thing in suggesting that Ganguly sit out and let Yuvraj Singh and Mohammad Kaif play the Test match?
Yes 82.46%
No 14.47%
Can't Say 3.07%
Total Votes:- 228
Do you think senior players like Ganguly, Laxman, Kumble are frustrated under Chappell?
No 40.53%
Yes 30.4%
Can't Say 29.07%
Total Votes:- 227
Should Saurav Ganguly step down as captain on return
Yes 85.46%
No 11.89%
Can't Say 2.64%
Total Votes:- 227
Did Ganguly do the right thing in revealing to the press that he had been asked to step down before the Test?
No 90.31%
Yes 8.37%
Can't Say 1.32%
Total Votes:- 227
Is it possible for Chappell and Ganguly to work well together, or will the peace be tenuous?
No 77.19%
Yes 13.6%
Can't Say 9.21%
Total Votes:- 228
Is Chappell in a hurry to impose his views on the team and assert his will?
No 53.95%
Yes 35.09%
Can't Say 10.96%
Total Votes:- 228
indiatimes poll
Do you think Chappell is honest in his intentions?
Yes 86%
No 10%
Can't Say 4%
its been too long a post will air my views in next post..
Comments
The skipper that misses the exercise regimen, doesent report to the conditioning camps, arrives just in time for departure, the poorest fielder in world cricket, one who gets run out by not entering the crease for the fear of ball hitting him!
Give me a break,the matches are all telecast and we have all seen it. Have been watching cricket for the last 2 decades and playing it for the equal number of days.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. I dont think Parthiv patel would have meritted his place but for the chairman of selectors.
All this disregard in response to the genuine love and passion people of this country have.
Time to overhaul the entire system of running cricket in this country.
hey anon, i would really appreciate if u had written your name...your points are too good...the sarcasm is brilliant..hope u had been a blogger..
anyways beg to differ on kaif and yuvi..they need to be more committed and i guess they are getting into the groove..
the bowling dept needs a big overhaul..ganguly has played a detterent by continuing with this world class losers like nehra,parthiv,bhajji,zaheer..
hope there is a good turnaround of fortunes for indian cricket..chappell u rock..
As far as I am concerned, the issue is not about whether or not Ganguly should go as captain. Obviously, he is out of form, and should be given a warning that he needs to improve or else risk leaving the team. That is what should be happening now. He should not be summarily fired. If he was playing for Australia, he wouldn't be being treated like this. So why is an Australian coach treating Ganguly like this?
sooper appu sooper..pinnitaa...but i am anti ganguly to the max now..i am siding with chappell, hey cat regd your observation to give gangs a chance is giving ganguly too much fringe benifits..if ganguly had been in australian team he would not have seen the light of the day as he wud have been chucked long back...
consider that hayden and martyn have been dropped after a lacklustre performance in one series..tell me one good series where ganguly has donned the mantle of a matchwinner??
getting really disgusted the way the system works and feeling totallly helpless..anyways teh articlles are rip off from sites..